Episode 39: QIRC/QIRE with R. Scott Clark

Dr. Clark of Westminster Seminary California joins the guys to talk about QIRC/QIRE and recovering the reformed confession.

Other topics include: Shaming Ben for being cheap.

Episode 37: Getting the Garden Right

Pastor Richard Barcellos joins the Regular Reformed Guys to talk about his upcoming, as yet unnamed book about the Covenant of Works, the Garden of Eden and a number of other questions in relation to the New Covenant Theology.

This is one of those meaty episodes. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

Episode 36: Gospel-Industrial Complex

Allan and Ben are joined by Chortles Weakly and wresbyterian to talk about the gospel-industrial complex, church government, worship, and a number of other things.

Other topics don’t include: unity

Episode 30… something: Head Colds and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

Allan and Ben turn on the recording device, sit back and talk about a number of different topics.

This episode is a trainwreck, abandon all hope ye who enter here.

Thanks again to Andy for doing a fantastic job editing the episode!

Deface the Currency

Ben Woodring

Diogenes was knee deep in a stream washing vegetables. Coming up to him, Plato said, “My good Diogenes, if you knew how to pay court to kings, you wouldn’t have to wash vegetables.” “And,” replied Diogenes, “If you knew how to wash vegetables, you wouldn’t have to pay court to kings.”

Diogenes of Sinope was a philosopher of the 5th-4th century B.C. He was a contemporary and often an adversary of Plato. Unfortunately we don’t have available to us any of his many writings, however there are stories about him, such as the one quoted above, that still remain.

Diogenes was exiled from his hometown after being caught defacing the currency that his father minted. After being exiled he traveled to Athens, Greece and began following the philosopher Antisthenes.

It is said that Diogenes once visited the oracle at Delphi after he was exiled from Sinope. The oracle told him that it was his calling to continue defacing the currency. Diogenes, deciding that he wouldn’t like to be exiled from Athens as well as Sinope, chose to interpret this as a call to deface the societal or cultural currency, rather than the money itself.

Diogenes lived a life of extreme poverty and rejected the comforts that many Athenians took for granted. He believed that such comforts and pretensions were actually an obstacle to happiness and the way he taught this to his followers and those around him was by “defacing the currency” of the society or culture of ancient Greece.

By this, I mean he purposefully rejected what was valuable to those in the society or, by his actions, he would show the folly of living as though those things were valuable. This often shocked and outraged the people of Athens. For this reason he was called “a Socrates gone mad” by Plato, whose public lectures Diogenes would often disrupt. Many of the stories about Diogenes are examples of his defacement of the societal currency.

For instance, it is said that Alexander the Great was an admirer of Diogenes and at one time Alexander visited Diogenes and standing in front of him asked if there were any special favor that Alexander could grant him. Diogenes, instead of asking for some gift or paying his respects to the man instead simply asked “Move out of my sunlight.”

Because of Diogenes’ homelessness and his apparent lack of civility he was often called a dog by those who mocked him which led to his being called Diogenes the Cynic(from the Greek for dog) and led to his followers being called cynics, not to be confused with what is commonly called cynicism today.

Some have claimed that the ministry and actions of Jesus were influenced by the methods of Diogenes and the cynic movement, and it is easy to understand why. In Jesus we have a man who rejects the comforts of society “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.” who openly opposed the religious, and societal conventions of his day through a very public ministry.

However, I think the ministry of Jesus is influenced by a much older tradition than that of the cynics. In fact, the defacement of currency (in the societal sense) is also a much older practice than Diogenes. One only need look to the Old Testament of scripture and the ministries of the prophets. These were ordinary men who were called to speak the words of God, often to those in power and usually against the society of Israel as a whole.

Think of Elijah, who in one of the most public examples challenges the prophets of Ba’al to a showdown. The question is asked, whose god is the real God? While the prophets of Ba’al cry out to their god to light their altar on fire while they dance around it and cut themselves, Elijah calls out to them, mocking. “Yell louder! If Baal is god perhaps he has fallen asleep. Or maybe he has gone to relieve himself.”

Or perhaps Hosea who married a prostitute who was unfaithful to him time and again, who purchased her back from slavery after she left him. All this he did as a visible expression of the love of God toward Israel and an indictment of the people of Israel and how they have acted towards their God.

Lastly, and probably most famously, Ezekiel, who over the course of his ministry did so many strange things (lay on his side for 390 days, cooked his lentils using cow feces, shaved his head in various ways) that modern commentators have suggested he was mentally unstable.

Walter Bruggemann writes in The Prophetic Imagination “The task of prophetic ministry is to nurture, nourish, and evoke a consciousness and perception alternative to the consciousness and perception of the dominant culture around us.” Simply put, the actions of the prophets in the Old Testament were meant to disrupt the status quo of the society to which they prophesied.

We might ask, are there any modern day men or women who follow in this tradition of defacing the currency? I’m immediately reminded of Wendell Berry’s poem Manifesto: The Mad Farmer Liberation Front. In which he extols the virtues and necessity of rejecting the materialism, among other things, of today’s society. He writes:

Love the quick profit, the annual raise,
vacation with pay. Want more
of everything ready-made. Be afraid
to know your neighbors and to die.
And you will have a window in your head.
Not even your future will be a mystery
any more. Your mind will be punched in a card
and shut away in a little drawer.
When they want you to buy something
they will call you. When they want you
to die for profit they will let you know.

The problem with finding modern currency defacers is that when a person rejects and openly defies the value system of a culture or a society, they are not praised by that society but rather they are ostracized. Look back at Diogenes, at Jesus, at the prophets, which of these men lived a life of ease and comfort, respected by the educated or rich or famous of their day? They were killed by their own people because they refused to worship their gods.

A warning then for all those who would deface the currency. Be prepared for exile.

Episode 33: The Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God

Brian Knapp joins Allan and Ben to talk about the Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God and Presuppositional Apologetic.